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The guide i want to see is "jungle in public games"
The reason i want to see this guide is becaus i see ALOT people going in jungle for like 25-40 minnets to farm EVERY core item they need. And with the Public experiance i got i feel like that dual lane with a support is better for a carrier then farm in the jungle. Not only that you can get more gold. But also to help a support staying in his lane. I have been playing matches with a Legion commander in the jungle and laning vs 2 as a CM/venomancer. It just make me hating the game.
My math + experiance is not as good as the most of the players here. So i am asking if someone can make a decent guide. Really want to see this kind of stuff:
Do i profit more from the jugle?
Does any lane need me?
When to rotate to a lane?
When to stop with jungling?
Jungle priority (Witch hero is jungling the best)
So basicly i hate people in jungle becaus they don't help the team 9 of the 10 time. And i prefer to refer them to a good guide then calling them a ***** **** **** **** or a noob. Hopefull i am not the only one with this frustration.
Anyone got some time/experiance for this kind of guide?
junglers are supports. ofcourse some people jungle with lifestealer or ursa in pubs but that leaves you with 1 support and 4 farmers. even a jungle prophet is too greedy although it can be done in pubs.
a jungler means that you have 1 support who will have an easier time getting items and levels, but you can punish their team becouse theu have 1 less laner.
Chen and Enchantress are really good support junglers, while Enigma farms more but he still builds the mekanism most of the time and classifies as support.
Doom and Axe can also jungle, but they are not real supports, usually you need an offlaner or even mid to transition into a supportish role while they jungle more.
there are also others who can jungle like Batrider and Dark Seer but they NEED some items and are usually played as offlaner, and go into the jungle if they cant farm in the offlane.
I understand the part about jungling in competitive scene. A support who doesn't leach Carriers XP. But the fact that people jungle in public to get all core items is really ****ty. the lifestealer, legion commanders, Wraith kings, dooms and axes who jungle for 30 minnets are my problem. I want to give those players a link to a guide where they can learn.
So the guide is a kind of a "tip" for players who jungle 25 minnets. Not bad that they jungle, but they have to know when to jungle and when to help lanes.
Can I just say, as a support you shouldn't be leeching xp off the carry if he can hold his own on his lane. Do something else to help the team.
I think communication is the issue with most junglers, no-one talks to them or asks them to do anything until it's too late and then you just rage at them. Ask them for a gank if it's possible with their hero (asking a sub level 6 Doom to gank is just a waste), if they refuse then at least you've tried and they're just being stubborn.
Mainly the type of people you are referring to I think are those that do the same build every game with their hero. They don't think about the lineups, they just get the same items as they did last time with him. Going Hand of Midas is very greedy for a jungler but if your lanes are fine and you are having free time in the jungler it is sometimes ok. The problem is it means that they aren't really useful till they have got the item after their midas, which takes even longer, and by this time, you 5v4 matchup has normally paid a heavy price.
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