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Gib me Vision!!! (Beastmaster Support Guide) (6.81)

May 26, 2014 by PODGIGN
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PODGIGN | May 27, 2014 7:02am
Krwiozerca wrote:




Excuse me, but I can't really get what do you mean. I am not offensive, but honestly I have no clue how to get an answer for this. Could you be more clear, please? :)

Haha.. Alright, my English isn't my first language, so sorry :). In other words, what I meant is that he's more of a balanced hero, he could be carry or support. You say he's overrated, I rarely see him in pubs, but oh well... everyone pubs are different! As a carry more of a Tank, even though his attack is low the whole game! but he's quite durable.. as a support, probably the best durable item for any support is Mekansm
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Krwiozerca (34) | May 27, 2014 6:03am
PODGIGN wrote:

So far I played 540 games, and only very few games I saw Beastmaster as part of my team or against..
And he's balanced as he could be "both" roles, he could switch, but not till to throw the roles off balance and could throw the game (very rare cases, but you know) I dont know, maybe I'm lucky finding games with Beastmaster instead of Sniper or Pudge



Excuse me, but I can't really get what do you mean. I am not offensive, but honestly I have no clue how to get an answer for this. Could you be more clear, please? :)
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PODGIGN | May 27, 2014 5:22am
Krwiozerca wrote:

He is not a great carry and he is not a great support, and not the best initiator. This is why I think he is not picked that much as many think he should be. Some say he is underrated - I think he is overrated.


So far I played 540 games, and only very few games I saw Beastmaster as part of my team or against..
And he's balanced as he could be "both" roles, he could switch, but not till to throw the roles off balance and could throw the game (very rare cases, but you know) I dont know, maybe I'm lucky finding games with Beastmaster instead of Sniper or Pudge
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Peppo_oPaccio (70) | May 27, 2014 4:13am
PODGIGN wrote:

People seem to underestimate that he can support,in pubs mostly they build him as a Carry while he is a good supporter. If done right, not saying that he is a bad carry.. He's a great carry with good supports on his team.

Well, in my opinion he's not a carry at all: you may call him a "semi-carry", but as his physical damage stays low throughout the game and he usually buys items that grant auras I just call him an "aura holder" like Elder Titan, Brewmaster and Doom. Notice how most of them are initiators and don't have high DPS (aside from Doom).

Krwiozerca wrote:

He is not a great carry and he is not a great support, and not the best initiator. This is why I think he is not picked that much as many think he should be. Some say he is underrated - I think he is overrated.

Well, as his ultimate goes through BKB he's basically a Bane that requires no channeling: if you have a Blink Dagger and your team can burst down a Hero in little time, it's even better. The hawk is decent for scouting Roshan and the surroundings, but as you say the other skills aren't that good (maybe aside from the passive which works best in the mid-late game). I still think he's underrated, but in fact there aren't many reasons to pick him.
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Krwiozerca (34) | May 27, 2014 3:50am
He is not a great carry and he is not a great support, and not the best initiator. This is why I think he is not picked that much as many think he should be. Some say he is underrated - I think he is overrated.
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PODGIGN | May 27, 2014 2:55am

I don't think Beastmaster is still viable as a support: he has no stuns and his only nuke wastes a lot of mana and isn't reliable (it's a skillshot and, if you don't aim it well, it deals half damage). He also needs levels, and while his core isn't that expensive, with the same amount of gold he does less than many other supports. The best lane for him is the mid lane, but he's also a good solo Hero in the off-lane.

The Mekansm is a good core item but, especially if you're supporting, you don't want to buy an Aghanim's Scepter first as it will take about 35 minutes (if not more); a mek only takes 20-25 minutes and is much more beneficial for your team. The Blink Dagger is also one of my favourite items, it's the best choice if you want to play the initiator role instead of the utility role (basically, either Mek plus Necro/Shiva's/Cuirass or Blink plus Agh's).

By the way, looks like you overestimate the Agh's: the cooldown reduction is awesome, but if you can't reach the key enemy with a Blink Dagger either the enemies are gonna initiate first or you're gonna stun a random Hero with little impact in the fight.


Thanks for the feed back, I will add more details on Aghanim's Scepter, I just forgot to mention it.On the other hand, he's a decent support, not the best, but he's a pretty good one thanks to Call of the Wild (Hawk), although Mid/Offlane is what he relies most on. Situations can happen if either there are no jungler Heroes in their team or a really strong Mid Heroes Shadow Fiend, Storm Spirit, etc. or both!
People seem to underestimate that he can support,in pubs mostly they build him as a Carry while he is a good supporter. If done right, not saying that he is a bad carry.. He's a great carry with good supports on his team.
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PODGIGN | May 27, 2014 2:07am
Eightfold wrote:

It's a good guide, but it needs refining. It has that sort of spammy feel to it. for example, too many periods where a single one or a semi-colon could be used, a few formatting errors, stuff like that. By the way, you listed that Primal Roar is the longest lasting stun in the entire game twice in the pros section. And also, generally avoid putting emoticons (1 or 2 in the entire guide is fine).


Thank you for your feed back, I'll revise my work. If you got any more suggestions, feel free to tell me. As I like to get feed backs.
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Peppo_oPaccio (70) | May 26, 2014 11:56am
I don't think Beastmaster is still viable as a support: he has no stuns and his only nuke wastes a lot of mana and isn't reliable (it's a skillshot and, if you don't aim it well, it deals half damage). He also needs levels, and while his core isn't that expensive, with the same amount of gold he does less than many other supports. The best lane for him is the mid lane, but he's also a good solo Hero in the off-lane.

The Mekansm is a good core item but, especially if you're supporting, you don't want to buy an Aghanim's Scepter first as it will take about 35 minutes (if not more); a mek only takes 20-25 minutes and is much more beneficial for your team. The Blink Dagger is also one of my favourite items, it's the best choice if you want to play the initiator role instead of the utility role (basically, either Mek plus Necro/Shiva's/Cuirass or Blink plus Agh's).

By the way, looks like you overestimate the Agh's: the cooldown reduction is awesome, but if you can't reach the key enemy with a Blink Dagger either the enemies are gonna initiate first or you're gonna stun a random Hero with little impact in the fight.
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Krwiozerca (34) | May 26, 2014 10:33am
Guide looks clear, well formatted, good language. You'll get some votes fo' sure! Well done.

I like Mekansm on Beastmaster, because he is surely supportive hero. I like Blink Dagger much more than you do on this hero, though. If your team lacks in good initiation, Blink Dagger is a beautiful thing. I would consider Blink semi-core item on him, but you stated clearly that's something very useful to pick, so I am not gonna complain.

Best wishes.
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Eightfold (9) | May 26, 2014 10:31am
It's a good guide, but it needs refining. It has that sort of spammy feel to it. for example, too many periods where a single one or a semi-colon could be used, a few formatting errors, stuff like that. By the way, you listed that Primal Roar is the longest lasting stun in the entire game twice in the pros section. And also, generally avoid putting emoticons (1 or 2 in the entire guide is fine).
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