Alchemist Is The Future!

Sorry comments came in quite soon so im gonna just write a big comment to reply to all of you:
NOTE: I AM ADDING A NEW TAB FOR ALL YOUR IDEAS COMBINES, HOPE YOU GUYS ENJOY, WONT BE WRITING ITEM EXPLANATION THOUGH, SORRY :P
Glenn T:

This is indeed very unique, its usually very useful against a team that has next to no disables

Xyrus:

I see where you are going with that AC, on the other hand midas + greevil's greed is very fast at farming, if I was going this level farm on any hero I would recommend you have a babysit support at your side such as a crystal maiden or shadow shaman. The satanic is just there if you have other right click heroes against you, or slow movement heroes such as pudge, its sort of a second life which is much more effective to hold than an aegis, yet again for this you have to make sure the enemies dont have 2+ second stuns such as Dragon Tail or Dismember.

T1mmay:

Really heart of terasque is just there in case you are having really long teamfights, you need that regen when your Chemical rage runs out but you still need to fight. I do see the AC being a good item and dont underestimate that satanic, mixed with those crits its better than an aegis if you dont get disabled. Black king bar is a very valid item I agree, it is very useful mid-game and sometimes late game. However if your team is half decent and you have 1-2 disables you should be fine. Not to mention silence would be amazing synergy with alchemist. The jungling bit is only if you have the time to do it, most teams will be ready to fight and would want to fight by this level and when that happens you want that stun a lot, I personally dont think its good to use acid spray while jungling, sure if you are early and cant take hard camp that easily yet you can use it however when you can clear the jungle in less than one minute its better to keep it up just in case you get jumped.

samukobo:

Thank you :) When alchemist is farming this hard I would recommend to have a babysit support next to him, like crystal maiden or shadow shaman and then you can attempt that free farm. Greevils greed early I agree is weird however if you get anything close to free farm, that +4-+8 gold is great for building that midas extra early.

Sando:

The thing is, when lvl 6 (which is when you would DEFINETLY have a maelstrom) you still dont have attack speed or dps to take enough of the jungle to equal a lane, I recommend the midas because its sort of a smooth transition. First you just midas the hard creeps, then after a while you take the small camp because its effective, then you start taking the medium camps and a while after the hard camps before you completely submerge. This allows for max xp/gold while still being able to participate in fights. I choose two Daedalus because it gives the greater chance to proc + the 81 damage per daedalus is amazing combined with the crits, plus with lifesteal its a monster. Satanic + HoT is just there so that when you are running, you can easily turn around a 3v1 with Chemical rage + HoT + satanic and own them. Sadly I dont choose power treads because if you are charging a stun you need that extra movement speed so you can throw it in case an enemy such as night stalker or a high movement speed hero is running from you. I agree with the AC as that armor + attack speed is amazing.

dynasty987:

1. I asked for commenters to view the build and explanation before commenting
2. I asked for constructive feedback
3. If you cant do the above 2 you might as well just go suck a ****

MANNLIER:

Thanks :). well lets think about it, most pub games enemies ARE downright stupid. Yea about that finger of death, I am creating another build tab and will add BKB there. The thing is most people have no idea a DPS build such as this even exists and will rather think to counter the shadow blade initiator role, if however you get a huge nuke or huge stun such as pudge, dragon night or lion/lina you should get BKB. I also go hand of midas first because it really is only effective if you get it before 10 mins. getting phase boots will delay it to more than that, in the laning stage you dont really need it anyway, unless you have strong slows and a stupid support/ solo lane. The satanic and HoT are just really to help you with turning around a fight and if you keep getting burst down by right click or similar its really good, its better than having an aegis if you have a BKB or if they dont have hard disables.

Thanks for all the Creative feedback and if any of you have tried this build please PM me with the results I would be happy to see them.

well... nice guide. But such a late game (starting and maxing Greevil's Greed, goind for Hand of Midas + Mjollnir) build would require your laning enemys to be downright stupid enough to let u afk farm half the game... AND when u come out of the lane a single stun or powerfull nuke (yes, im talkin bout the Finger of Death) might just shut you and your Mjollnir + dual Daedalus down.
Overall i think this is a very weak build that makes little to no effort on countering alchesmist's greatest weakness from 6.79, nukes. I'd recommend u max Unstable Concoction always if dual laning, get Phase Boots + Hand of Midas / Maelstrom and then farm a Black King Bar. Also Satanic / Heart of Tarrasque are HORRIBLE choices nowadays for alch, u can do much better and u dont need the regen.

No AC...
No BKB...

Is this a joke?

Yeah would suggest a few changes:

- Very vulnerable early-midgame with no armour and hit points boost. Personally I'd sack off the Hand of Midas, get the Maelstrom faster and level up by farming the jungle like a madman.

- Two Daedulus is poor value, yes the proc chance does stack (i.e. you get two 25% chances to crit every hit), but they can never proc together for double effect.

- Prefer the Satanic over Heart of Tarraque myself, you still get a lot of HP from it, some armour, damage and the active is much more useful for keeping you alive in a tight spot than the delayed (if epic) heal from HoT.

- Agree completely with T1mmay on the Power Treads and Assault Cuirass, they make more sense with this kind of farming build. AC is epic when stacked with Chemical Rage/ Mjollnir and a Skull Basher :). Armour is much needed too as your agility growth is pants.

Shadow Blade was never really a preferred item of mine.

Heart of Tarrasque is STILL a good choice late game imo, you should be after the HP and not the regen.

Maxing Greevil's Greed is way too situational, it only works when you're free farming. Other wise, at least get the first two skills' level 1s first. Level 1 greed does absolutely nothing in lane.

I agree with both these guys, the build is...unique :p

It's all well and good having insane dps, but that doesn't really help if yo can't hit them for some reason.

Due to 6.79 a Heart of Tarrasque is not needed on alchemist anymore as he already has insane health regen, and there are now better items on him to get. What he needs is to make each hit point count more and time to let his regen work. To make each hit point count more armour is what you need. An Assault Cuirass fits alchemist perfectly as the aura makes your enemies have less armour at the same time as giving you more dps.
For the same reason as heart I don't think a Satanic is the way to go, but it could work giving you a second life in a way, will try it out sometime.

Alchemistts weakness is being burst down, and the easiest way to burst a hero down is using spells. So a Black King Bar is excellent as it gives him space for his regen to kick in, and it means there are a lot less stuns which can stop him hitting people.

Also if you are a hard farming Alchemist getting one in Unstable Concotion and maxing your Acid Spray before getting anymore levels in the stun is the best way to do it, as you can just leave the acid on the easy camp and the creeps will die to the acid alone.

Alchemist's golden time in the game is the second he becomes 6-slotted as he can do this much quicker than other carries, I think your guide focuses too much on him being a certain level to fight, maybe a little more emphasis on him being item dependent on when he can fight, changing the level ranges to stages of the game(early, mid...). After this time other carries can catch up with you and outcarry you.

I think Power Treads deserve a mention at least as they are a good option at times as they give you a bit more tankiness and some more attack speed. Late game alchemist should have Boots of Travel so he doesn't have to carry a tp scroll.

Good call on no shadowblade, i agree with this as it takes up an important item slot and there are better items a hard carry can get.

Rarely get Daedalus on this guy as I always run out of item slots but can recognize the potential of this item, but using two item slots for this seems slightly unneeded, it does increase the crit chance, but i think more damage would be better, like a Monkey King Bar especially if the enemy has evasion of any kind.

Special mention is needed for Ancient Apparition as his ultimate can cancel all health regen and is a massive counter to the 6.79 alchemist

A nice guide with good ideas, just some things I don't agree with. Wow i wrote a lot! :p

I would recommend switching one of your Items for an Assault Cuirass, it gives you (and your Allies) extra Armour which will help greatly Late Game, especially since Alchemist has next to no Armour. It will also reduce your opponent's Armour and stacks with Armour Reduction from Acid Spray. Finally it will give you (and you Allies) a good Attack Speed boost, which is even better combined with Chemical Rage. Probably best to switch it with Satanic, while it does stack with Mjollnir you won't get Lifesteal when you proc Lightning.

Also, going Greevil's Greed first, with Hand of Midas as a "Core" Item means that you are incredibly easy to kill...repeatedly. This can only work if you have next to no opposition in your lane.

Other than that, it's a nice guide. 8)

Well, that item build is... unique. I have to try that sometime.