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I agree with the general consensus that you should build him tankier. Also MoM is terrible, it makes you squishy for no good reason. You don't need attack speed, you're troll warlord. All you need is damage and survivability, you're ult will do the rest.
Yeah, his squishiness is honestly his biggest issue. I build
And again, attack speed kinda just gets redundant on troll around the mid game and up. Early game it helps, but theres no use to get any major attack speed item because it will get worthless pretty fast(
I would -rep you if i could.
Do you know what this site has the best? The great and friendly community.
Contradicting things is okay, but you dont need to orient such rude denial. Sure, I thought weird stuffs with the guide. But do I need to flame? I do not.
Using rude words could hurt people more than many thought.
A guide doesnt always meant to guide others. It can guide yourself too. Taking feedbacks from people may help the writer. Just give him advices, but mostly- a chance
If this is a troll(the other thing) guide... Well congratulations you just fell for the bait.
But if this is a real guide... Repair your words.
I used to be like you... but then I took an arrow of enlightenment.
Im sorry if I went to far with this post.
Thank you for standing up for the integrity of this DotaFire community. It seriously is a breath of fresh air to see someone post an honest and constructive response to a total *******. Thank you. +rep
Could you explain the second build? I get the first one, but I'm not sure how to "not wreck face" with twenty couriers.
Oh ****, forgot to take that out... :P
Every items can be situational, this guide is trading 30% extra incoming damage for extra movement speed and more points on Whirling Axes, so it's actually good on prevents juking of his attack target, thought it comes with a bigger risk because this build is going to turn him squishy like a
Better and logical explanation should be given, although I like your idea of getting
I see what you mean by squishy like a
I used to play a TON of Troll and I feel that you did a really good job encapsulating him here. Great work.
Just as a note, you forgot Basher and Abyssal Blade. These items should be included because, unless I'm wrong, sources of bash stack with Troll's melee form.
I do have a suggestion to help out inexperienced players who might read your guide (especially because Troll is popular among newbs). You might want to add a section that talks about when you should and should not pick Troll. Incorporating something like theoretical team compositions so that new comers can start to get a good idea of this hero.
Overall, though, I feel that you did an excellent job!
Thank you very much connor4893. Basher and Abyssal Blade are banned on Troll because double-bash would be too overpowered. But MKB works on him - it's only a mini-bash. I will add a section talking about what you stated, thanks for the advice!!!
First of all, Troll is my second most played :)
But, MoM makes Troll into the squishiest hero ever. He needs damage, not more attack speed on a hero who easily reaches max attack speed in the late game. I understand the general idea with your item build, the MoM while skipping fervor for better bashes makes some sense. Overall, i'm probably going to try this build before I judge it more, but I think the MoM just makes him way too squishy for anything besides a 1v1.
Yeah, trying it yourself would be helpful. We obviously play Troll differently, so my build might not work as well for you as it would for someone who doesn't already have a Troll build. But when I figure out how to, I will add a video of me wrecking with this build. Thank you for taking your time to read my guide, I really appreciate it.
For mr keep calm, im very sorry. It pains me to have such discussions, especially with a fellow folk. Now I see why you wrote those things, as I could have done so as well. But still, there are times where we must keep our anger and let it out slowly.
Also have a rep.
Take that "-" back.
So actual feedback::
Your items are... strange. Whats with the plain headress? Lemme introduce you to: vladimir's offering, something that solves all of his problem. It also lets you actually use any other orb.
MoM.... dunno.. sure it prevents kiting, but you could have get
What... He is NOT a jack of all trades. Why would you thought of that?
I cannot go on. The item builds are exponentially strange, but you said "Anything you want" so meh.
Even tho you have 100+ games with him... it doesnt say much here. You clearly is new to the game.
If you'd like, join the site. Discuss items, heroes, anything. Joining here made me improve extremely high.
Well Unscathed, I can say for one that I'm not new to the game. But I am new to this website. I've basically tried every item on Troll Warlord, as you could probably tell from my amount of games with him. To be honest, I only wrote this guide to show people how incredibly good MoM is on Troll, and reading everyone's comments, it didn't work as well as I wanted it to. If I can figure out how to add some of my own plays with MoM into this guide, I will. Because MoM is a great item, and it is pretty devastating taking 30% more damage, but the 20% lifesteal completely counters that. You end up healing more damage than you take and usually stay at over 75% health in team-fights because of it. But about Vlad's, the only reason I don't like it is because Troll doesn't stay in Melee mode forever, and there will be those situations where you need ranged lifesteal, which Vlad's doesn't give. Thank you for your advice, I really appreciate it.
Better and logical explanation should be given, although I like your idea of getting
Also have a rep.
Take that "-" back.
So actual feedback::
Your items are... strange. Whats with the plain headress? Lemme introduce you to: vladimir's offering, something that solves all of his problem. It also lets you actually use any other orb.
MoM.... dunno.. sure it prevents kiting, but you could have get
What... He is NOT a jack of all trades. Why would you thought of that?
I cannot go on. The item builds are exponentially strange, but you said "Anything you want" so meh.
Even tho you have 100+ games with him... it doesnt say much here. You clearly is new to the game.
If you'd like, join the site. Discuss items, heroes, anything. Joining here made me improve extremely high.
Only the rude form if words.
Though... items ARE strange.