Anti-Mage: Fast Manta Build

Read the damn guide. Justify why its a bad build, maybe you need to go to some of my posts to see what constructive criticism is. Also, how hard is it to use some proper grammar? You wrote less then the average compound sentence, at least have some dignity in your words if you're gonna bash someone.

"Why would you get a bloodstone. Also bad build a minus vote from me"
Why would you get a Bloodstone? Also, bad build, a minus vote from me.



If you can't read the dark green text, then you have three options: (1) Get a new monitor. (2) Get off the internet for risk of seizure. (3) Slam your head on the keyboard.



Sp12, of all people...read the damn guide.



Do you not know that Mana Break is an orb effect? Vlads is the only lifesteal that is not a unique attack modifier. If you read the guide you'd see he justified that. And Ed wasn't showing criticism, you just said it yourself. "It was kind of rude since he did not explain or try to help the guild but shoe some self restraint"

To the OP: Everything here is good and dandy, but why not turn that perseverance into a Battle Fury? You were emphasizing farm in your guide, and even said Bloodstone is just a pick-me-up because its an easy finish item, well Battle Fury does everything you need and can just be an easy to finish item.

Bloodstone does give like +400HP, which is leveraged pretty well with AM's high agi gain (=armor) and spell resistance.

But then why not heart? I do understand the attraction to reduced respawn time.

Had to give it a -1 due to Bloodstone. No reason to waste that much gold on an item for mana. It simply wastes gold that could be used on real carry items for Magina such as Butterfly or Skull Basher. He is an auto attack hero and as such he doesn't really need a large amount of mana at all times. I understand you want to keep illusions up and that's why you get it but quite honestly Battle Fury or Perseverance will easily do the job. Not a terrible guide but I can't see any reason for Bloodstone.

I do not agree with first point into spell shield, If you are getting hit by them and need to get spell shield at level 1 something is wrong. It is not bad but early game you should not need it till 4 at the earliest.

The hard cary should almost never get vlads. The ONLY cary that should get it is Lycan. A balanced team should have 1 late game cary and 1 mid game semi cary. the semi cary should get the vlads.

Dota is not every thing please do not make personal insults to people are giving you criticism. ( It was kind of rude since he did not explain or try to help the guild but shoe some self restraint)

You did put the time into this and it deserves better rating +1

MrEd I have seen a couple of your guides, and they are a joke. I commend you for having no life and spending 12 hours a day trolling DotaFire. When is the last time you were laid? By someone not in your immediate family?

daPhongster, thanks for the feedback. I have added a little section justifying my bloodstone choice, but heart is a very good substitute. I prefer bloodstone for the mana instead of the extra health provided by heart, but different strokes for different folks.

Bloodstone for -respawn time would be legit if it was a seperate item AND not cost 5050

Why would you get a bloodstone. Also bad build a minus vote from me

Here are few things I disagree with in your build:


First of all, you underestimate AM's Ult. At max level, it does 1.1 damage per mana missing. This translates to 70 extra damage per hit AM gets on his enemy.

Ever wonder why even though heroes like DP that have 3000 mp so that your mana burn doesn't even make a scratch on her mana, yet AM is still considered her counter? It's because of this.

About accidentally using the ult on a high mp hero, just make sure to attack the hero before ulting. Also, checking the enemy mana is not that hard- clicking on the hero doesn't interrupt any action or anything.


Secondly, if you are 'rushing' something, you should not have a 2000 gold item before you finish the rushed item. For survivability, I recommend getting just a Ring of Health, and not building it into anything before the manta.


Thirdly, Bloodstone is for heroes who, if given infinite mana, would just own. AM, as a right click hard carry, is not one of these heroes. If you want survivability, go for a Heart. If you want Mana Regen, a Perserverance would be more than enough.


Finally, I would like to bring up the issue of AM being a bad laner. Almost every hard carry is a bad laner. However, AM is one of the best laners among hard carries because of one thing - borderline OP escape mechanism with Blink.
In order to kill an AM, you MUST have him chain stunned almost perfectly in order to deal enough damage to kill him. If the CC train lets up for the slightest second, AM is free.


Disregarding my second point, I would like to suggest that you compare Vladimirs to what the standard AM gets instead of that: Vanguard.

In conclusion, I can tell you made a great effort in this guide. You justify everything, from items to skill build, and describe in detail each part of the game. Good job.

Sorry for wall of text.