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yeah its good but i think that the tree dancing or the 2nd skill is really not much needed in the early game bcos the passive skill(3rd skill) is much needed.. well thats what i am doing, but any ways sometimes i just use the 2nd skill for escaping.. hehe
anyways, good thinking man.. (or girl etc. wtvr haha)
Pick magnus skewer in trees dead monkey....repeat also can drag him out of his ult.....to ez to counter i l take necro/weawer over him 7 days in a week
Nice guide indeed. I totally agree with you for not picking manfight heroes. Especially for the early game and somehow mid game, his jingu mastery wrecks almost every manfight heroes. I have seen my teammate Sven, Jugg (wu kong fought jagg even in bladefury and he won: amazingly 4 hits = 800 damage and 400 life steal in average),and warchief (hit and run style because of 300 range - melee attack is literally fully maxed psi blade of templar assassin) were fallen and they faced difficulties to comeback. He is damn good ganker too.
In terms of his counter, I wanna add magina the anti-mage. His blink can escape from tree dance landing, hyper farming speed, can manfight until jingu mastery buff in early game(then blink away) and burn mana (less use of his boundless strike), natural battle fury carrier (ward him and chop the tree, wu kong is GG :D ).
In the early game, timber against wu kong (1 vs 1) is something crazy but I saw wu kong wins many times. He is made for first blood if a person can play with cool maneuvers. I would directly go MKB skipping desolator for him as core carry (maybe position 2) since mini-stun really benefit to his Jingu mastery buff.
To be honest, having read this guide, I love it. but can't agree with your early game playstyle, imo MK does best by completely suppressing the opponent laner(s) early on with the current way boundless and jingu work the early kill potential is just too good to pass up. I Like to focus cs yes but always ensure to stack jingu on the enemy mid, if they run away, fine they'll be out of lane for 10 seconds but if they make a mistake and let you stack 4 jingu on them, your q equals an easy instant kill on just about any standard mid.
Hey, your guide is great but i disagree with some things.
1) Why should he use difussal blade? Skull basher can be super effective when having ulti
2) I tried him with mask of madness and it's just insane..You get ability lifesteal + Mom Lifesteal and you simply dont care about low armor or TP back to base
3) Mischief is pretty much useless as you said, but with Blink Dagger it could be very useful, however spending time and money for dagger would not be the wisest thig.
It can be good if you time it correctly, (which means silence ends after you land your 4 hits to further cast spells), but good players can easily take advantage of this. Also minus armor is another huge negative. I generally hate the concept of the item which is cheap stats with a risk. Also Monkey king already has a good early build (echo, deso, orb of venom), and stacking many cheap items feels like a waste. I would really love to see someone pulling this off thought.
Nice guide, it's very appreciated.
Although it's a good guide, i would like to see some correction on a few things:
Quoted:
Mischief :
More like a fun skill than something useful. People can attack you while you have changed your form, and you will transform back immediatly. It can be good in certain situations, but it is not adviced to use this as a gameplay mechanic. If you try to hide into the trees, any decent player A-clicking his way will hit you. The rune trasnformation is very bad (run hovers a lot lower than the actual spot). I don't think good players will get tricked by this. Kinda works like original Minefield Sign, but any [aghanim's scepter] upgrade is welcome.
i think that's totally in-accurate. there is gameplay uses for this skill, probably not as a core role but as a support. let me explain, we already seen zai play this hero as support/ganker so there's a potential for that. the slow is awesome. anyways, as a support, you could appreciate a tool to be invisible to wards, almost invisible in river when even thought there is an enemy nearby, it definitely makes it harder to hit you.
misschief when use, your invisible to enemies wards even with sentries around, you can dive towers without enemies noticing. for example, you can camp at a tier 2 tower for sniping of a courier.
also if you want to ward without getting caught by wards, that's a good way to do it.
it's also good to gank from behind (t2 tower) while you want to dive towers. i think when give it time and practice it can be a good skill.
also, it can be used as bait, couriers incoming, i simply did it yesterday. and i don't think being a tree it's that bad. not for escape but for defending and setting up kills.
on the items, Diffusal Blade :
with this patch, you can not purge your self. although it's still a good pick, but not for that purpose.
a few thought on the items for the build: Bottle: a nah for me. while your mana pool is low, your required mana for using skills it's low too, and also most of your skill's already have a high CD so it allows you to restore the mana you lost. plus as a carry, i don't really think that wasting gold on a Bottle is wise.
i would go for an Infused Raindrops instead. because the mana regen is good, it gives you a good protection against nukes so you can farm. by the time all 5 charges are consumed, either you finished your Echo Sabre, or your supports have Arcane Boots
Orb of Venom this is great on monkey, no doubt about it. this, paired with your Tree Dance slows people for good.
Battle Fury if for some reason i need more AoE damage, i would go with Mjollnir instead. the reason is, it almost does the same job, but it gives you attack speed for your passive too.
Well, this are just some thoughts on the matter, hope we can figure this hero together :)
You can see that the Monkey King is kind of Fragile, specially when it comes to his Ulti Wukong's Command, you have to survive the 14 seconds to get the maximum out of it and it is difficult when they all start targeting Monkey King. It is basically functions like channeling, you have to some how survive for the best results, so I think Shadow Blade is a Good Item to Keep.
Not only that it helps him to escape some hits before he can climb a tree. I would say he is a Good escape Artist with his already available skills and with the Shadow Blade it will be impossible to gank him.
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anyways, good thinking man.. (or girl etc. wtvr haha)
ive learn new things too.. thanks ^^
In that case you might wanna buy some wards and smoke
In terms of his counter, I wanna add magina the anti-mage. His blink can escape from tree dance landing, hyper farming speed, can manfight until jingu mastery buff in early game(then blink away) and burn mana (less use of his boundless strike), natural battle fury carrier (ward him and chop the tree, wu kong is GG :D ).
In the early game, timber against wu kong (1 vs 1) is something crazy but I saw wu kong wins many times. He is made for first blood if a person can play with cool maneuvers. I would directly go MKB skipping desolator for him as core carry (maybe position 2) since mini-stun really benefit to his Jingu mastery buff.
By all means, up vote from me :)
1) Why should he use difussal blade? Skull basher can be super effective when having ulti
2) I tried him with mask of madness and it's just insane..You get ability lifesteal + Mom Lifesteal and you simply dont care about low armor or TP back to base
3) Mischief is pretty much useless as you said, but with Blink Dagger it could be very useful, however spending time and money for dagger would not be the wisest thig.
Nice guide regardless! gj
what do you think about mask of madness?
Although it's a good guide, i would like to see some correction on a few things:
More like a fun skill than something useful. People can attack you while you have changed your form, and you will transform back immediatly. It can be good in certain situations, but it is not adviced to use this as a gameplay mechanic. If you try to hide into the trees, any decent player A-clicking his way will hit you. The rune trasnformation is very bad (run hovers a lot lower than the actual spot). I don't think good players will get tricked by this. Kinda works like original Minefield Sign, but any [aghanim's scepter] upgrade is welcome.
i think that's totally in-accurate. there is gameplay uses for this skill, probably not as a core role but as a support. let me explain, we already seen zai play this hero as support/ganker so there's a potential for that. the slow is awesome. anyways, as a support, you could appreciate a tool to be invisible to wards, almost invisible in river when even thought there is an enemy nearby, it definitely makes it harder to hit you.
misschief when use, your invisible to enemies wards even with sentries around, you can dive towers without enemies noticing. for example, you can camp at a tier 2 tower for sniping of a courier.
also if you want to ward without getting caught by wards, that's a good way to do it.
it's also good to gank from behind (t2 tower) while you want to dive towers. i think when give it time and practice it can be a good skill.
also, it can be used as bait, couriers incoming, i simply did it yesterday. and i don't think being a tree it's that bad. not for escape but for defending and setting up kills.
on the items, Diffusal Blade :
with this patch, you can not purge your self. although it's still a good pick, but not for that purpose.
a few thought on the items for the build:
Bottle: a nah for me. while your mana pool is low, your required mana for using skills it's low too, and also most of your skill's already have a high CD so it allows you to restore the mana you lost. plus as a carry, i don't really think that wasting gold on a Bottle is wise.
i would go for an Infused Raindrops instead. because the mana regen is good, it gives you a good protection against nukes so you can farm. by the time all 5 charges are consumed, either you finished your Echo Sabre, or your supports have Arcane Boots
Skull Basher and a Blight Stone after echo: well, i think this is a better way to do it. if you have Echo Sabre already, having a Skull Basher almost guarantees your 4th attack for the passive.
Orb of Venom this is great on monkey, no doubt about it. this, paired with your Tree Dance slows people for good.
Battle Fury if for some reason i need more AoE damage, i would go with Mjollnir instead. the reason is, it almost does the same job, but it gives you attack speed for your passive too.
Well, this are just some thoughts on the matter, hope we can figure this hero together :)
Not only that it helps him to escape some hits before he can climb a tree. I would say he is a Good escape Artist with his already available skills and with the Shadow Blade it will be impossible to gank him.