Just a quick thought on stacking neutrals + smoke of deceit farming style.
Na'vi pulled it off recently with



So who else could pull this off? I'm talking about heroes you wouldn't normally see jungle, but it turns out can, if you know what you're doing. This is NOT a noob post, so you kinda need to know dota already.. :)
I know the smoke deceit has changed, but with skill cooldowns for these heroes, waiting for the neuts to go back to the camp won't be difficult.
my thoughts -

in theory - you could stack both mid camps on the radiant side, using a quelling - at 52/51 seconds hit the top camp, 55 seconds him the below camp (through the trees) and walk right, towards the lane - you should stack both camps, repeat for a 2nd time to get 3x stacks, then use





so the idea being, that time spent in the neutrals, going to lane for a bit of exp, then going back may sound bad for the first few minutes. but once you take out the stack - BOOM your 1-2 level and 1k gold better off then everyone else. and in theory, again in theory - you could do this every 3-5 minutes?
your thoughts? who else could do this?
We are currently trying to figure out how we can abuse skills to get large boosts of gold and experience from stacking the jungle. We never said anything about actually starting out jungling early game. Just something to do in your spare time if you arent ganking.
undying is the BEST hero earlygame (no doubt about this) so if you waste your precious earlygame jungling it really isnt a good idea, and due to his
How about summoning this "zombie totem" next to lane where enemy creeps passes it and pull neutral creeps from other camps? (or lead enemy creeps to jungle next to your totem). That way you can start to "farm" as many zombies as possible before enemy will destroy it. Although totems duration is only 15 seconds in level 1 and when it's maxed, duration goes to 30 seconds.
Also don't forget Undying has a great AoE skill which mana cost ridiculously low but cd is quite big (25, 20, 15, 10sec)
good idea, but once the neuts leave the aoe of the tombstone, the zombies will not spawn - I think the max rad is 1000, which would be quite hard to pull of, both in lane and neutrals, but good idea.. I believe they also do not spawn on units in fog, so it would need to be very coordinated.. and do not spawn themselves, if the tomb is in fog..
Also don't forget Undying has a great AoE skill which mana cost ridiculously low but cd is quite big (25, 20, 15, 10sec)
^ Well yeah I found that out after but to be honest the zombies will get owned by all of the hard camps since zombies have low hp.
Good point - they only have 30hp :s
that said they spawn every 3 seconds, and perhaps on the hard camp you can take the first 3 seconds of a beating - and a basilius should help solve that? They also spawn 1 zombie for each enemy, so the weaker creep in the hard camp will die off quite quickly, and the hard creep won't have the AS to keep up..! :p
Your strat for undying would get owned by the ursa thunderclap unless the zombies are magic immune.
zombies are magic immune..
Just a general thought on who else could do this
Aware of the changes in Smoke of Deceit, but didn't know you couldn't do it with
I like the windrunner idea and will experiment, her base attack time is lower too (the time between attacks, thus making her attack speed higher), which will help.
Anymore -
As a second skill put shackle.
Only minus thing is Golems which are immune to power shot)