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Is the cary dead?

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Forum » Theory Crafting » Is the cary dead? 6 posts - page 1 of 1
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Mirror » April 6, 2013 1:32pm | Report
Just from watching competitive recently and playing team matchmaking I am starting to feel like the hard cary is gone. If you have a hard cary the 5 man gank meta will crush its farm and even if they don't the team with out the cary will win the early/mid game.

Another question is the jungle dead?

I have not seen a Chen or Enchantress in ages. Enigma and Natures have also seemed to vanish. I believe this is because if a hero is in the jungle it will make the tri lane too weak. Even if the hero is Chen or Enchant who was a very active with ganks are uncommon now.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by xCO2 » April 6, 2013 2:23pm | Report
Semi-carries are popular right now because usually its a pushing or ganking strat and ends by 40min. Like Balanar as the main auto-attacker.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Zanerax » April 6, 2013 4:25pm | Report
Both EG and VP (I think their who I'm thinking of) run Chen a lot. Most carries that are chosen now usually have some ability to do something early-mid game (Gyro for example). Prophet is quite common, for his global presence. Offensive tri-lanes seem to be less common now than they used to be, most often I see teams have a carry/farmer, a mid, 2 roaming & ganking supports, and a long laner/jungler (If they get shut out of lane they rotate to jungle). As for the super hard-carries (AM,Void) usually if they get picked early the other team will often just pick a push based lineup and knock down towers and threaten base before the opposing carry can get up enough items to really carry hard enough.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Vash » April 8, 2013 3:30pm | Report
Zanerax wrote:

Both EG and VP (I think their who I'm thinking of) run Chen a lot. Most carries that are chosen now usually have some ability to do something early-mid game (Gyro for example). Prophet is quite common, for his global presence. Offensive tri-lanes seem to be less common now than they used to be, most often I see teams have a carry/farmer, a mid, 2 roaming & ganking supports, and a long laner/jungler (If they get shut out of lane they rotate to jungle). As for the super hard-carries (AM,Void) usually if they get picked early the other team will often just pick a push based lineup and knock down towers and threaten base before the opposing carry can get up enough items to really carry hard enough.


Agreed. Ever since the LGD / IG match up it seems the Eastern European scene has rediscovered the potential of Chen. I've seen him in or banned from a majority of games played. His early game presence gives a lot of pushing power.

As far as carries are concerned, we see our fair share. I could direct you to matches lately where Alchemist, Dragon Knight, Chaos Knight Phantom Lancer, and Anti-Mage all have made an appearance. However to answer your question on why it's not used most games... I would just reiterate what Zanerax said.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by PeachFuzz » April 8, 2013 11:58pm | Report
Because Naix and Juggernaut have been so successful on any trilane. Free BKBs are very strong.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Champigne » April 14, 2013 1:08pm | Report
I'd say yes and no. As everyone has been saying, there has been a shift in focus to early pushers, like Chen, and semi carries that are more versatile. That being said I still see pro teams run hard carries like Faceless or Alchemist. But there definitely is a shift going in the meta as we speak.
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