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Dont misunderstand me Mr. IMBA frog, i was trying to compliment you, your experience is one of the best things of this forum, and because i am more used to be here than reddit or /vg/

How would you build a support naga ? when she needs to ult exactly ? what is the viability of aghs on her ?
Aside from aghs all her itens are in the nerfed tier, Greaves was nerfed(although i think it needs some bufffs), Solar Crest is nerfed, Maybe lotus can be viable on her, you dissamble mana boots to build it later

Also, how to buff a item like MoM of madness? Maybe an upgrade

Okay, so I've given it some extensive thought and tried it both ways. So :

- Octarine is actually not more expensive than manta. Since you already have Arcane Boots from the early game, it's the same price : 5K gold.

- The buildup is comparable. Upgrading arcanes into Soul Booster corresponds to buying Yasha. Buying Mystic Staff corresponds to buying Ultimate Orb + manta recipe. Manta doesn't have a better buildup, both have a good buildup actually.

- It's not 5 semi-squishy illusions versus 3 tanky illusions. It's 5 semi-squishy illusions versus 6 tanky illusions. Because with octarine you can use Mirror Image twice when defending against a push. Octarine gives you permanent uptime on your Q. You use the first cast to counterpush one illusion at a time, and the second cast to fight.

- Manta Style illusions are far more squishy than Mirror Image illusions. Almost by a factor 2. Especially since your HP is so low at that stage, they can't counterpush effectively, they just die instantly.

It's really just to be able to not lose your rax once you have 2 items. That's why I say no Bots rush because too greedy and octarine first ASAP.

You're even lucky if the enemy is threatening your highground when you have 2 items up. They should be threatening it before you finish radiance, or as soon as you get it. If they don't, spam naga free MMR :)



Greaves aren't nerfed. I mean come on, they cost 25 more gold? Please :)
Peronally I'd build mobility, to reliably land song. Either blink or force. Or straight up greaves. And then aghs. Aghs is super good. Allows to de-initiate and turn.



MoM + armlet + ~700 gold recipe = big bursty damage item.
Strength carries need good items anyways.

*Offtopic matchmaking rant*

I have no idea why does this keep happening, but last few days I lost like 10 pts while having 50% winrate just because I won 21/23/25 and lost 23/24/27 etc. Like, I win a close game and get +23, I lose a hopeless game and get -25, I win a stomp and get +25, I lose the game with higher impact than both my cores(even though I suck major **** at pos 3-5) and get -27.

This **** is so ****ing tilting because it's just extremely unfair and it happened like 10 times already. I will never believe that MM can't find enough ppl to balance MM at 4.3k three days in a row.

I mean how is that even possible:

How about Silver Edge on PL now?

PL has always loved stats and the +15 stats it provides, are great. However, it's importance is more than just +15 stats. In this meta, where you see a lot of Sven, Slark, and Phantom Assassin, Silver Edge is almost OP. The Break it applies is non-purgeable and even pieces BKB. So it's an amazing item to get on PL at the moment. Essentially, the invisibility is not used to escape, it's only used for initiating or applying the debuff.

However, another point is that Silver Edge has great synergy with Doppelganger. Since, Doppelganger is also a dispel, if the enemy uses Dust to counter your Silver Edge, you can use Doppelganger to purge the dust off, similar to what a Slark does. So yes, you can even use Silver Edge as an escape, reliably. Plus you'll even have a Manta later on.

Thoughts?

Of course Silver Edge is legit on PL right now - It's legit on almost anything with a stun or that likes stats. And that kinda encompasses every hero in the game.

I think I know now what I disagree with considering the position regarding Silver Edge: that the question is not whether you can built it on everyone or not, but if it is or not better in that hero/game than the other options.

Let's give an example: Linken's Sphere. You can ask "can I buy on X hero"? Of course you can. Should you though? Maybe - depends on your needs, you will answer. Some heroes purchase it often ( Weaver, Morphling), others avoid it if they can (let's use precisily Phantom Lancel here as an example). Silver Edge, in my opinion, is in a very similar place. It's a very obvious choice for some heroes (like Slark, etc). It's active is amazing, it's stats are very good. However, maybe you don't want to pay 5100 gold for those stats and active, if you need other stuff more insted.

This applies to Phantom Lancer, as to almost every other hero. You can indeed buy it, it might be legit, but let's see this in an actual game: usually PL players try to farm a Diffusal Blade to be able to join fights, maybe with some minor tweat on little items like Drum's and Aquila depending on their style. Most also go for the BoTs and Blink Dagger for the splitpushing/farm. You know better than I do the reasons behind this choices, but the thing is: does Silver Edge work in the same way as this items in that you can farm it respecting the timings of your hero and getting the same advantages you need? If the answer is yes, go for it, ofc. If it isn't, though, you might be throwing the game, even though you have a very powerfull (and expensive) item on itself.

Examples of this kind of situation is when you rush as first item something like a Black King Bar, a Heart of Tarrasque or a Monkey King Bar: what does it matter if you stay alive but do no damage? What does it matter if you do damage but you have no survivibility/AS? Concerning SE, what does it matter if you have a Break and stats? The enemy team might conter your initiation with detection, they might nuke you down, they might have a 3 high damage dealer core strat that do not care if you dimish the damage from just the one of them. So you need to carefully consider whether, despite being so good, it is the Right item or not.

And if I do agree that the break is super strong, I think the current meta shows how much it isn't still overpowered though, because heroes like Lifestealer and Spectre with relevant passives are still very strong and often picked in pro games (not even mentioning pubs), and I really do not believe the argument of "they only do not buy the item and instawin because they don't know any better".

Linken's Sphere and Silver Edge are both perfectly viable second items on Phantom Lancer after treads and diffusal. I think I've explained why already some time ago in response to the same argument.
+15 to all stats on an illusion hero, plus attack speed on top which is really good on PL. Illusion heroes need nothing *but* stats.
Of course you get it after diffusal, but you still get it before the 30 minute mark easily if you need it.

Silver Edge gives stats and damage/attack speed, which is good on every single core in the game that isn't already an invis hero.

Linken's Sphere is like Black King Bar, situational on every hero when you need the active. Every hero benefits from the stats.

And Lifestealer isn't weak to Silver Edge. Feast doesn't make the hero the way Bristleback, Berserker's Blood and Coup de Grace/ Blur make their respective heroes, you can't compare here. Besides Rage makes him immune to the active and Infest allows him to kite it if he gets hit, so he's actually *less* weak to the item than most heroes.

I agree. But you see, that doesn't make the item OP. And again, it's not like stats with damage and AS isn't good for every core, is just you might need other things first/instead, which explains why it isn't an obvious/automatic win choice.

I think Lifestealer is still a bit ****ed up by the item, but yea not in the same level as a Phantom Assassin. But you didn't say anything about Spectre (so we do agree SE doesn't kill her?) and Bristleback is also in a fine place right now, I think - I've seen him played in competitive as much as before, and I played it too a bit. He was already situational before one meta where he suddenly was constantly picked, and now he's just back to that, usually with Io, a bit like a CK. Same can probably be said about Huskar, he was already extra situational as well, not sure SE is the reason alone why he is less picked.

Which reminds me (on another topic), I've been thinking why we see zero Templar Assassin in competitive, but she's fine in pubs. I talked about it a bit with some people, and we think it might be the fact that she needs to be a last pick, not viable every game, etc. So maybe another example of a hero nobody complains of being in the trash, but at the same time one we never see. There are now something like 10 heroes like this, never picked, which I would really like to see changed.

Economy: Fixed Faceless Void's clashing animations and portraits when equipping various combinations of Jewel of Aeons, Viridus Claw and Primal Form of the Tentacular Timelord. Animations for Jewel of Aeons will take priority.

****ING FINALLY

It only took them a year to fix this. Well done.

I guess you can look up Arteezy playing the hero, just ignore the games in which he gets **** on and never even gets to have Radiance kek.