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Oracle + Ethereal Form = Almost Invulerablity?

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Poll Question:


Is Fate's Edict + Ethereal Form OP?
Yes. This is really bollucks.
No, because it's too expensive for Oracle.
No, because the hero can't attack and Ethereal can be purged.
Doesn't matter, because the hero sucks too much in pubs and isn't in comp
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Cuttleboss » August 25, 2015 3:51am | Report
I was writing my Oracle guide, and in doing so, was playing some games. I went on to discover that Oracle can make an "almost invulnerability" with a combination of Fate's Edict and Ethereal. Basically, when both are on a target, they are for all intents and purposes, invulnerable to damage that isn't pure. Fate's Edict stops all magic damage and amps physical and pure, and Ethereal stops all physical damage and amps magic. This is comparable to the current Winter Wyvern with Glimmer Cape being able to protect a target.

However, Oracle has issues with costs when he does this. In order to access it for himself, he needs to buy Ghost Scepter, and giving himself invulnerability comes at the cost of his anti-carry spell. If he gets an Ethereal Blade however, he can grant the almost invulnerability to his allies, possibly bailing out an ally that would die, or saving a second person beyond False Promise. he might also work drafted with a support Pugna, as the heal from Life drain also synergizes with False Promise.

This is the game where I tested it, and many times it saved myself, and near the end, it helped save my Sniper a few times against the clutches of the enemy Phantom Assassin. However, the game was not really on the ropes, so I don't know yet if this signifies if it's really that powerful.

What do you think? Is this overpowered? Is it too expensive for him to use? Is it fair because it can be purged?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by porygon361 » August 25, 2015 4:25am | Report
It could be useful, but is it more useful than Glimmer Cape? Though it doesn't grant near invulnerability, it does have more utility than a Ghost Scepter and comes online faster than an Ethereal Blade.

Then again, you could still get an Ethereal Blade after Glimmer Cape for maximum invulnerability :P.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by TheSofa » August 25, 2015 2:54pm | Report
Oracle is not about saving people.

He's about delaying their death by so much they can kill more than their role's worth before they die.

Practically, and lore-wise too.

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TheSofa wrote:

Oracle is not about saving people.

He's about delaying their death by so much they can kill more than their role's worth before they die.

Practically, and lore-wise too.




How is Oracle not about saving people? He has a heal combo and an ultimate that delays damage and doubles healing. Yes, it can be argued that Oracle is all about delaying deaths. However, Oracle does have the potential to save his dying allies. Saying his purpose isn't to save people would be wrong. Strategic use of his spells could still fail to save an ally, but saving that ally is the goal. This thread is pretty much about discussing the items one could get to improve the survival chance of the ally.

Anyway, more stuff about Glimmer Cape:
1. Magic resistance lets you use Purifying Flames freely on an ally without disarming them.
2. Invisibility + Oracle's new ult makes it just like an OP version of Oracle's old ult
However, the cons:
1. Quite a high mana cost to use early on if you're poor and can't afford mana items. You use all your spells once and then Glimmer Cape, and your mana will probably run dry.
2. Against teams with physical damage and detection, it won't make much of a difference.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by oldKainen » August 25, 2015 6:40pm | Report
It almost 5k gold on a situational item. It works best against teams that have both physical and magical burst damage, which isn't so common.
You could go for a Solar Crest; it gives high physical EHP and can be useful to take Roshan, break high-ground defense, etc.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Cuttleboss » August 27, 2015 1:21am | Report
I personally don't pick up Glimmer at often on Oracle, since the synergy between it and Fate's Edict is rather lacking. As with False Promise, you can save people a lot more, but i prefer repositioning and other things that increase my survivability in order to cast more spells and win more teamfights. Also, hero has mana issues, so if I get it, it's rather later in the game.

Also, if I want to take a Hamster inspired approach to this, since Eblade is purgable, and having it purged puts the hero you're targeting in even worse position, since Edict is not purgable, it's not mathmatically sound, as a 3k item counters a 5k item. Of course, you have to be at a level where people actually buy diffusals for ethereals.

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I'll try it first

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